Wednesday, May 30, 2012

Learning a new fact vs. understanding of a situation.

Learning a new fact vs. understanding of a situation.
For me, it is “incomprehensible” how Art’s long analysis “Hijacking Sex Revisited” can be neglected and has been neglected by so many of the millions of psychologists/therapists who exist around Mother Earth. There are far too many of these, at least traditionally, well-gifted men and women who have been swept along by the evolutionary determinism. 
Why? Why are not the majority of all therapists, through the use of proper techniques, guiding their patients to relive first line imprints to access the fountain of truth? The truth of Art’s these are impossible to reason away. It is, Evolution in Reverse, as old and established as Evolution. Art gives one excuse himself, for the cognitive method, saying: “Nature is a good protector -  memories shouldn’t be easily accessed, as the lower centers of the brain hold survival functions and adaption strategies that must be tampered with”. 
My conclusion: If cognitive therapists are not applying proper techniques, they do less harm reinforcing evolution, than trying to relive imprints the improper way!
My thoughts often go to the fact that extremely few are curiously, searching within themselves in order to fulfil their real needs. That strong is the eternal  power of evolution, a catch 22, that emotional repression, being infused into the present, causes the loss of objectivity. However, it is difficult to argue away the historic value of evolution and it’s roll in the survival of humanity so far. Art’s expression some time ago “Thank God for religion” is one of those survival facts, when evolution let the religion shadow the objectivity in order for us to survive.
Why do I, over time, no longer doubt Art’s Primal Principles? It is a combination that I had epilepsy, during a period when lobotomy (in my own home country) was a recently Nobel prized treatment alternative, and that I was lucky (with place of birth, having a young star neurologist, access to understanding people and contacts) and was equipped with enough talent. Being terrified by the lobotomy alternative gave me courage to find my own narrow path. I learned the hard way to avoid cognitive therapy (which was seizure-inducing) and looked for alternative treatments that gradually made me free.
Psychologic facts could not, for almost a lifetime, impress me. On the contrary, my brain did not assimilate the facts, and I had to feel my epilepsy instead of using psychological / neurological theories. However, reading most of Art’s literature, I could eventually understand my situation.
Jan Johnsson
The Nobel prize for the development of lobotomy was later heavily criticized.

Sunday, May 27, 2012

Can Psychology Be Taught?

Janov's Reflections     (Click to access!)

Psychology and Ideology.  By Peter Prontzos (3/6)  

My comment:

Can psychology be taught?
In your 1/6 you referred to Daniel Kahneman (awarded the 2002 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics) and his fascinating book “Thinking, Fast and Slow”. In one chapter, he is describing experiments, which show that people will not draw from base rate information, which in turn may lead to the uncomfortable conclusion that teaching psychology is mostly a waste of time.
I will try to boil down the Kahneman chapter (which can be recommended in its full version!). In the renowned “Helping Experiment” each one of a number of participants was to talk in turn for about two minutes, over the intercom, about their lives and problems. A stooge said he felt a seizure coming on and asked for someone to help him, and he faked a fit.
Only four of fifteen participants responded to the appeal for help. The others felt relived when they knew that others had heard the request for help.
Videos of interviews with people who had participated, showed they were nice, normal, decent people with entirely conventional hobbies, spare-time activities and plans for the future. After watching the videos the students guessed how quickly the particular person had come to aid the stricken stranger. Using two test groups, one knowing the outcome of the original test (that 27% of the participants were immediately helpful) the other not, the predictions were identical. Both the test groups predicted that the interviewed individuals would rush to the victim’s aid. Please note that the second group knew both the procedure of the original experiment and its result. The interviewed people they had just seen had not helped the stranger!!
Students exempt themselves (and their friends and acquaintances), quietly, from the conclusions of experiments that surprise them. Being presented with a surprising statistical fact, the students managed to learn nothing at all. However, being surprised by individual cases - nice people who had not helped - they realized that helping is more difficult than they had thought and first then their guesses were accurate.
Subject’s unwillingness to deduce the particular from the general was matched only by their willingness to infer the general from the particular.
The test of learning psychology is whether your understanding of situations you encounter has changed, not whether you have learned a new fact.
Most of us think of ourselves as decent people who would rush to help in such a situation, and we expect other decent people to do the same. Even normal, decent people do not rush to help when they expect others to take on the unpleasantness of dealing with a seizure. And that means you and me too!
Jan Johnsson

Saturday, May 26, 2012

The Land of The Free?!!?

Thursday, May 24, 2012

A Feeling of a New Dimension.

A feeling of a new dimension. A new step in the transformation/refashioning of my brain and life.
Yesterday, Eva (who I met after 53 years) asked me for a collage of photos I have of us, covering 57 years. (See enclosure!). She was overwhelmed over the result and said that she could feel the memories down “into her marrow”. With the help of one of my Jewish favorites, Barbara Streisand, I also felt the 57 years as a memory-fusion, euphoria (New Latin, from Greek, from euphoros, healthy)   without intoxicating effects.
Today, after a long and relaxed day - driving back and forth to the Mediterranean - I came home, read Eva’s mail about the photo collage. My thought went to my pal in L.A. making all these new wealth of real feelings come true, and I decided to send a copy to him and thank him. However, I first decided to take a short, relaxed nap during the Spanish siesta. After an hour, I woke up having a feeling on it’s way. I decided to go with it. It turned out to be a new way to experience my birth feelings.
As always, the feeling involved pressure over my mouth, eyes and forehead going deep into my head. This time I had all these feelings being/feeling my fully adult body. The wordless feelings took place, but that I was feeling retarded to a baby’s body. I went through all the moments I usually do when I manage, fully, to feel, and the completion brought the deep repressed scream/cry that often explodes out of my throat and guts.
I normally recover within half an hour after my feelings. This time I recovered instantly after the final “death” cry. It is as my feelings have been allowed into my old, adult body, now less scaring than ever, more real and with a feeling of being easier to explain. One day my experiences should be the right of every woman and man!
Jan Johnsson

Wednesday, May 23, 2012

1 to 2% Of My Thoughts.

Psychology and Ideology. How Could Anyone (Except ...
By Peter Prontzos (2/6)     (Click to access!)

My comments:

1 to 2 % of my thoughts
The fact that 98 to 99% of our thoughts and emotions are unconscious according to Lakeoff’s and Kandel’s estimations and guesses, makes me feel good about how I over 50 years have been unconsciously convinced that I eventually would find a way out of my prison of pain. It, certainly, was not achieved in one giant step or through a quick revolution, but by countless number of small steps and continuos (often painful) adjustments. 
It has been a lifelong rehabilitation process, in which the fact that I, basically, was being "emotionally nourished" by Art Janov’s Primal Principals, gave me the knowledge, technique and confidence to refashion my life and brain. It has certainly been a complex and dialectical journey which has been determined by both nature and nurture.
There have been opinions that I have been a “prisoner” of Art Janov, who is so fortunate to have a genius’s access to our emotions and unconscious. To demystify my epilepsy and my neuroses, Art’s genius has been as indispensable as oxygen and the serotonin founding sunlight for my survival.
So contrary to what people might think, Art guided me out of my prison of pain and made possible, although delayed, my healthy emotional development into freedom! 
Jan Johnsson

Sunday, May 20, 2012

Why are we fooled in such great numbers?

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My comments:

Why are we fooled in such great numbers?
Wonderful to read someone having both the knowledge, honesty and guts to present an in-depth-analysis to “why we are fooled in such great numbers”, over and over again. The three levels of unconscious influences in your essay will make a fascinating and a most needed intellectual connection to my life-changing primal experiences from Art’s Evolution in Reverse.
To my comments, to Art’s Reflections on “The cost of neuroses”, the other day, I would have loved beeing able to add your last sentense:  “The new field of neuroeconomics is showing why so many “calculations of value” are not rational.  Our decisions are determined by an almost endless number of factors, such as risk aversion, fear, wishful thinking, endowment effects (from ownership), lack of information, pre-conceptions, biases, and cognitive dissonance.
Looking forward to your next article!
Jan Johnsson

Friday, May 18, 2012

Cost vs. Income of Neuroses, an example.

Janov's Reflections on 
The Cost of Neurosis (click to access!)

My comments:

The Cost vs. Income of Neuroses

Your economic scenario regarding the drunken driver in your neighborhood sounds, at first sight, very specious. However, it is based upon a logic with so many contradictory consequences, that my human sympathy, will turn out to be the widow’s mite, left for you.

I’m sorry, Art, but the income made by neurotics are tremendously much bigger than the cost of them. The old, neurotic, American “dream” to make a fortune / become a millionaire and then become independent and (due to the unending nature of neuroses, even richer, etc.) has for generations had the cost of “your drunken driver” as a non official, slightly annoying surcharge in its general spreadsheet. I could go on writing so much about the importance of alcohol and neuroses as a source of income, that your famous fish would drown many times in its deluge of “wealth” creation. 

The enclosed statistics, over the proportion, of the US population, by education, who used alcohol in the previous month, speaks for itself. Looking at the statistics there seems to be evidence that the more being stuffed into our left brains, the more painkilling alcohol we need!

Proportion of US population by education who used alcohol in previous month:

Collage graduate               67%
Some collage                     60%
High school graduate        55%
Less than high school        37%

An interesting fact is that, in spite of the high American alcohol consumption, the US has dropped 23% since 1990 and that abstention is much more common in the US than in any other Western Country. 35% of all Americans are abstainers. A large number of states continued their own state prohibition after 1933. There are also millions of Americans who currently support the concept of prohibition. 

However, I think that PT, in spite of its curing potential, will have a hard time to compete with religious revival movements and Alcoholics Anonymou’s bodies. Their method, like cognitive therapists, to repress the alcoholic’s pain, “forgive” him and to reestablish him within their own often strong an well established organizations, creates a subjective well being supported by the majority. Some even become presidents...

Jan Johnsson

Thursday, May 17, 2012

How the bullshit goes around.

A. A.,
I want to comment on your experience, when you almost asleep mixed your personal thoughts with that of a radio speaker. You said his voice felt as your private thoughts and you thought your brain did not differentiate.
I have many times had similar experiences. It has happened when I have had a condition of depression, and without being able and/or willing to feel, during the day, have entered into a sleepy / “relaxed” / off guard state. When I occasionally, under those conditions, have been listening to the radio / TV, then suddenly the speaker’s voice expressed my thoughts / feelings, and I “manipulated” his words and the tone of his voice. What I developed was a hallucinatory experience, which in my case relates to the field of psychogenic epilepsy.
In my case, these experiences happened when I was less able to feel my pain. They were a sign of leaky gates. My pain found a way out, and the hallucination happened in an off guard /drowsy stage when a word from the speaker had struck a cord in my mind, which was transmitted to my repressed pain, and the leak took place. Now, years later, when I have felt my horrific birth pain repeatedly, the tendency to need these releases of tension/pain has dissappeared.
No doubt it is interesting how my pain, when my mind was “off-line” /off guard could find an escape, which though in the beginning was confusing. Slowly, I learned that leaky gates have many alternative escape routes. Hallucination was but one.
I share your concern that uncritical minds, with repressed pain, might adopt their professors words. Fortunately, in a sane, healthy brain, able to feel the pain, I value the risk as low. However, in a neurotic, pain propelled world, there is risk that the bullshit goes around.
Jan Johnsson

Sunday, May 13, 2012

“The proof of the pudding is in the eating”

SATURDAY, MAY 12, 2012  

Janov's Reflections:

Erasing Bad Memories; Is It Possible? 

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Is it possible to erase bad memories?
“The proof of the pudding is in the eating” (Cervantes: Don Quixote)
Over the past year I have often thought of and felt a / my loneliness. Not that I’m feeling more alone than before in my life, but because the loneliness is about to change meaning and become something more graspable and less intimidating than before. Previously, I felt loneliness as something ugly and as a punishment, a stigma that haunted me since early childhood.
Since my feeling of loneliness has been so total and versatile, the word lonely is inadequate. My loneliness covers insecurity, fear, being misunderstood, deserted, locked, trapped and unfree. To cope with  this cluster of emotions, I have often become angry, aggressive, critical, physically active, and I have developed neurotic actions to “impress” both, myself and the surroundings. This has sometimes “succeeded”, which has delayed my liberation many years.
Since my struggle with my painful loneliness takes place in a world in which very little, of what happens, is taking place based on real needs, but is a reflection of my own neurotic behavior. It sounds, in other words, as a catch-22, to be miserable and full of compressed loneliness, which is hidden by the neurotic, pain-killing actions in a mad world. Is there any hope for improvement?
There exists a route. It is narrow and long and is coated with skinless feelings. Evolution filters, if necessary, away our unbearable pain, so that we may survive. Pain is the name of the road to freedom. It is possible under safe therapeutic forms to go back into the pain and feel it, the way we could not, initially, cope with it. In this way, we can erase the protective filter that we no longer need as we’ve felt / lived the original pain caused by a dramatic experience at our entrance into life.
Does this sound complicated? However, it is extremely simple, under correct and knowledgeable guidance, to dare to learn, gradually, to feel the pain. It is a totally natural method that restores distorted, repressed feelings, which becomes a memory, which the body and brain assimilate as a rich experience. In recent weeks, I have had the strength, easily to slide into my birth primals and feel / live the loneliness, helplessness, claustrophobia, that made me insecure, trapped and scared. I feel the connection between the birth process /childhood traumas and my loneliness.
I do not think that it is possible to erase bad memories. We relive dreadful memories, when we have the strength and resources to allow the three levels in the brain to accept a painful, traumatic memory. Your body often gets, as a result, the information it needs to also be cured. Bad memories become thus, though still bad, an enriching experience that strange as it sounds, makes life easier in a twisted world.
It is no longer as easy to get your “buttons pressed” by external impressions when you have access to your true feelings! The flip side of the coin is that there is less room for neurotic Euforia, which in turn gives the advantage to have fewer hangovers...
Jan Johnsson

Saturday, May 12, 2012

After surgical lobotomy, incapacitation, apathy and irresponsibility are the rule rather than exception.

Joseph Sirven, MD
In the March 7th issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, Doctors Engle and a group of investigators from across the nation reported results from the ERSET trial, which is the Early Surgical Therapy for Drug Resistant Temporal Lobe Epilepsy. In this study, which was a multicenter controlled parallel group clinical trial performed at 16 U.S. epilepsy surgery centers; 38 participants, 18 men and 20 women aged more than 12 years, had mesiotemporal lobe epilepsy and disabling seizures for no more than 2 consecutive years following adequate trials of 2 brand name antiepileptic drugs. Eligibility for anterior mesiotemporal resection was based on a standardized presurgical evaluation protocol. Individuals were randomized to either continue medication treatment or to undergo surgery and were observed for 2 years. The planned enrollment was 200 and the trial was halted early due to the few number of patients that were enrolled into the trial.
The main item that was being evaluated was whether seizure freedom or seizure cure was better in the group that was treated with surgery versus those treated with continued medication.
Of the 23 participants in the continued medication group, there were no patients who were seizure-free versus 11 of the 15 in the surgical group at 2 years of follow-up. The effect of surgery on quality of life was significant. Memory decline occurred in only 4 patients after surgery consistent with rates seen elsewhere. Side-effects included transient neurological deficits attributed to MRI identified stroke in 1 patient that had surgery and 3 cases of status epilepticus in the group treated with seizures.
The investigators concluded that patients with mesiotemporal lobe epilepsy that surgery resulted in seizure freedom rates at 2 years compared to just treatment with medications alone. Given the early termination of the trial, the results should be interpreted with some caution.
This study is important for 2 primary issues. One, it further underscores the point that surgery is a better option for medical management than ongoing treatment with medications for people who have drug resistant temporal lobe epilepsy. The other part that is important here is the fact that this trial terminated early due to poor enrollment. This study should be taken as a model of what can happen if individuals choose not to proceed with participating in research trials. Important questions that can have significant implications for individuals with epilepsy may not be answered if people choose not to enroll. This study is important because of the fact that it helps again, even in small numbers, shows that we can find important answers to big questions, but again, enrollment in a research trial should be a goal for any individual with seizures in order for them to take control of how to best handle this terrible condition.
by Joseph I. Sirven, MD
Last Reviewed: 5/9/2012
Jan Johnsson’s comment:

After surgical lobotomy, incapacitation, apathy and irresponsibility are the rule rather than exception. (Wikipedia)
When I read reports from investigators, like the one above, that lobotomy surgery (now labeled anterior mesiotemporal resection) is a better option for medical management for people who have drugresistant temporal lobe epilepsy, I feel privileged, having met a modern neurologist like David Ingvar and having had access to Primal Therapy. I got epilepsy about a decade after the Nobel price!!!!!!, which in 1949, was given to the Portuguese António Egas Moniz who developed the technique. If I had lived in Denmark, less than 50 miles from my Swedish address, the risk that I had been maltreated, by the neurologist I met in Roskilde, could have been overwhelming.
I am almost certain that none of the surgeons who surgically lobotomize epileptics do it with bad intentions. However, just knowing that there is a risk that a single patient becomes irreversibly mistreated, without first obtaining a modern comprehensive holistic (including above all: therapy according to the Primal Principle) treatment. In addition, I estimate that the chances are that  pressured neurologists, of impatience, take the decision to surgically lobotomize a desperate and anxious epileptic.  Medication, as in my case, is necessary, and has the advantage that the brain is physiologically intact and can regain its function if therapy treatment according to the “Evolution In Reverse/Primal Therapy” can be applied.
Furthermore, the knowledge that Psychogenic Non Epileptic Seizures often are misdiagnosed (10-40%!) increases the reason to be extremely careful with the lobotomy procedure. The PNES is the kind of epilepsy that has the best potential to be cured with skilled Primal Therapy treatment. They can, with patience, be free from seizures, anxiety and medication. I hope one day in the Epilepsy Therapy blog to read about the result of epileptics with PNES being treated with Primal Therapy according to the Evolution In Reverse principle. It is nature’s own way; however, it has to be done with skill and with adequate guidance.
Jan Johnsson

Friday, May 11, 2012

Quick Fix vs. Therapy Forever

Janov’s Reflections On More Therapeutic Nonsense

Quick Fix vs.Therapy Forever
Having read Jonathan Alperts article in the NY Times and your Reflections on the same, I have as an observer and longtime patient a few opinions. First, I’m not surprised at all of Alperts populist opinions. They are born of pure survival needs of a cocky psychologist who live on those lying on his costly couch.
From a growing number of sources (friends, acquaintances, therapists), I have long heard a growing dissatisfaction with the impact most psychologists have on their patients. Why? They do very seldom see any curative effects on the therapy treatments, on the contrary, they are worried about the secondary and habit creating effects that the medications, the psychologists prescribe, have. Hence there is no reason to doubt Alperts comment: “Ineffective therapy is disturbingly common”. However, since many patients doubt the cognitive psychologist corps, that Alpert is a representative of, one of his marketing tactics is to change the treatments, “which goes on forever” by asking his future patients to “ask fearless: change your life in 28 days”...
40 years ago, I believed in a “quick-fix-promise” which would take 4 months. Please note that this was the Primal Therapy in which you were allowed/asked to feel your pain, in contary to Alperts “28 day promise”. However, together we learned that 4 months was hardly enough basically to understand, what had taken 40 years to repress, that might need years to cure. 
Does that sound as another therapy forever? Maybe, but there is a huge, radically positive difference. In Primal Therapy, you feel gradually, relived, you feel real and you understand why you feel the way you feel and you feel that there is a hope and eventually you don’t need prescriptions of painkillers. That to me is to be cured.
The cognitive therapy, unlike Primal Therapy/Evolution In Reverse, is pushing your pain further down. You will never know, understand what originally caused your anxiety and neuroses.This fact / shortcoming will blur your ability to connect your feeling and intellectual brain. Propelled by pain and depression much of your life will be turned into perpetual neurotic games/life patterns to satisfy unreal needs.
How can I be so sure of my claim? Because, over 40 years (during which I came and went with Art’s blessings, and so I could combine a successful career with Primal Therapy) I have felt, relived a horrific birth, which created epileptic seizures, neurotic behaviors. Thanks to this combination of job and therapy I have fysically and mentally slowly become normal. Evidence? I think that my vital signs at age 72 and my ability to communicate my experiences are adequate evidence for most.

Wednesday, May 9, 2012

The Meaning Of Life

MONDAY, MAY 7, 2012
Art Janov's Reflection on The Meaning of Life 

I lost a pal today;  eight years old.  He  died of a tumor around his brainstem.  His mother went everywhere in the world to save him; to no avail.   He was in New York but one day the family came out to join us for a day and I made tacos; not any tacos, mind you, but Janov specials.   And he loved them.  His mother wrote and told me he loved them and I thought: a few moments of pleasure in a very short life.   And so what did that life mean? Will he take that memory of the tacos to the grave?  No he won’t.  The only meaning the taco had was that day and his memories while he was alive.  After that, no meaning at all.  So what was the meaning of his life?  That day and many others that gave him pleasure.  No other meaning, sad as that seems.

Many of us try to get as much as we can out of life, and many people keep traveling and going here and there, off to the jungles or South America to get more out of it.  And secretly they still feel empty; they cannot feel their experience, cannot really experience it, because feeling is meaning and that lies out of reach of so many of us.  Without feeling centers what do sharks get out of life?   No a lot.  Not much meaning. We are feeling mammals; we need to be in contact with that in ourselves.  My pal got as much as he could but he spent most of his life going to Europe to doctors.  He was never told he was dying but he sensed it; and one day after a doctor visit, he asked his mother, “Do they speak English where I’m going?”  Whereupon I crashed, thinking of his agony and his dread. That tiny body riddled with foreboding that no one could take away.  That is what many of us have all of the time; foreboding of a crime foretold and a crime already passed.   And that crime is the pain that settles in so early in so many of us that leaves us with the same foreboding that my pal had; why? because death was in the offing so soon in our lives, at birth and before.  It happened even sooner than what happened to my little pal.  And it was imprinted and remained a force that dogged us. So we travel and go and go, and still that appointment in Summara catches up to us and rings our bell so loudly that we cannot even sleep.  It says “death is hurrying toward us,”  and there is no escape.  That memory is hurtling to our conscious/awareness at warp speed and no matter what we do and where we go, it is unrelenting.  This is a reality in our young innocent lives; death was approaching, strangled on the cord, too much anesthesia, etc.  There was no exit and still isn’t.  It never lets us rest.
  We keep on going very much like my pal, traveling all over Europe to find surcease: a cure.   Alas.  No.  For us the cure is to feel; to retrieve what we lost early on when death was coming toward us.  We can do it now. My pal can’t.

In search of the meaning of Life.

I have for nearly a lifetime been looking for an answer to the “Why” I had epilepsy. It took almost 40 years to find and slowly understand/feel/accept the answer. I have traveled, neurotically, in all directions/dimensions; geographically, culturally, socially, professionally, etc., driven by my pain.

For the first time in 53 years, I met, this week the woman who, as a teenage girl, at three occasions, made an indelible impression on my young teenage mind. Our youthful adventure died before it had started because I got epilepsy and was (chemically) lobotomized, which led me to, initially, change behavior and lose my vitality and confidence.

During the 53 years, which have passed by since we met last time, she has just moved a few times from where we lived as kids, and she has, then, only moved within a circle of 20 miles! She never had an ambition to make a grand career. However, a granddaughter and daughter of two generations of headmasters and university professors, sheer talent and, of course, environmental impact, took her on a lifelong, price winning pedagogue journey at the university institution where she worked and where she during a decade was chairman of the special training of pharmaceutical scientists.

She has read my book about Evolution In Reverse / Demystifying My Epilepsy, and she is one of very few people who has reacted in a positive and sympathetic manner. The book in combination with our conversations has brought up memories and feelings in her about traumatic episodes with her parents. In spite of her background (I honestly want to think: thanks to her background) she is very critical to the doctors’ and psychologists’ ignorant, ruthless and unquestioning use of painkillers and medication supported and applauded by the pharmaceutical industry.

She is as judgmental, as we are, to the fact that doctors and scientists don’t ask “Why” or look for real cures. It is far too much about pain relief instead of cure. She is also very critical to the use of the researchers statistics to hide, dribble away, ignoring deviations, which for the individual patient may lead to interferences and treatments that are harmful. Several areas of research, in her opinion, very severely lack individuals with the necessary holistic approach. There are too many deep, narrow specialists with no contact neither with each other nor with the reality/truth.

Having searched for the meaning of life during 53 years and having been guided by the Primal Principles for 40 years, seen through the prisma of my friend’s life, I feel I have got a fairly good understanding of life. I have for sure, both personally and through other people, seen and been through a wealth of examples of neurotic, false meaning of life.

In contrast to your young Pal, I was, fortunately, given enough time-allocation and having You as a Pal, I could make it!

Jan Johnsson

  • Arthur Janov May 9, 2012 1:04 AM
    You know, Jan, thanks to your daring to come to a curly headed shrink to try out a therapy in its infancy, I learned from you and found out how to help people. It is a two edged sword; we learn from each other. I had a lot to learn and could not have done it without the bravery of my patients. Art